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"Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

SP: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance."


- from a questionnaire Sarah Palin answered while running for governor.

the pledge was written in 1892. unless the zombie founding fathers wrote it, and then rose again in the 1950s to campaign for the addition of "under God" because they forgot it the first time, they had nothing to do with it.

she also believes in abstinence education instead of actual sex ed classes, and she supports teaching of intelligent design. what an intellectual powerhouse.

Date: 2008-08-29 06:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] buhrger
If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me

it's not clear to me why everything the FFs did is necessarily above criticism either. but then i'm an ignurint furrinner, so what do i know.

Date: 2008-08-29 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kijjohnson.livejournal.com
Yeah, like OK on slavery, no voting rights for men of color or women, etc., etc. They were visionaries for their time, definitely, but that was 200+ years ago. We can't do better?

Date: 2008-08-29 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gaelfarce.livejournal.com
Oh...make sure to exclude non-landowners as well.

The Democratic Party: Everything that didn't get the vote in 1776.

Date: 2008-08-29 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kijjohnson.livejournal.com
Did you happen to be listening to NPR this morning? It was clear they were having a hard time not laughing, and then feeling bad about feeling that way.

Is she the best conservative woman politician with experience the Republicans can come up with? Is she as good as it gets, or did they pass over other, more experienced women, and why?

Date: 2008-08-29 06:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilac-wine.livejournal.com
but she's got a vagina and five kids and she's purty.

Date: 2008-08-29 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scarlettina.livejournal.com
What I love about this choice is that they've chosen a candidate who's currently under legislative investigation, accused of firing the state's public safety commissioner for not firing her former brother-in-law. Beside and beyond all the other obvious issues I'd have with her (the same ones you do), I'm genuinely puzzled how choosing someone who's under investigation for possible impropriety is a smart move. Doesn't seem like a smart move. It is all about judgment, isn't it?

Date: 2008-08-29 07:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] refractednotion.livejournal.com
$50 says the talking points(tm) will paint any mention of corruption or impropriety on her part as an attack against her for being a woman. The people who choose to believe this are exactly the people they're trying to win over, namely the craziest and stupidest of Hillary Clinton's supporters.

Date: 2008-08-29 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mort-q.livejournal.com
The fact that the tot has Down Syndrome makes it a lot more likely that Sarah is the mother not the grandmother.

I mean, it's not like you could actually keep a secret like that.

Date: 2008-08-30 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinthrex.livejournal.com
I'm not sure it is too crazy to be true. (acknowledging the Down's Syn thing.)

And if there's one state in the country where you might be able to pull it off...

Date: 2008-08-29 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] refractednotion.livejournal.com
I have Zombie Jefferson in my closet. He says he didn't do it, but I don't know about the others.

Date: 2008-08-30 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steve98052.livejournal.com
My mother is quite religious, and she has a moment of hesitation at the "under God" any time she says the Pledge, because she learned it before that was added.


Although she seems like ridiculous choice from a general-election viewpoint, she's a really solid choice from a fund-raising standpoint. McCain's campaign has been in money trouble because the extreme right just doesn't trust him. With her around to smile, flash her pretty smile, and enthusiastically spout "intelligent design", the merits of hunting from helicopters, and the need to drill for oil in national parks, she's just what McCain needs to open up right-wing extremists' checkbooks.


The problem is, once she has to talk to the general public, she'll be trouble. Unless they can hide her from the general public through the entire campaign, she's likely to lose more votes through her views than she gains through her boost to McCain's fund-raising power.


On the other hand, if McCain had selected a moderate – someone like Olympia Snowe – McCain's already-shaky credibility with the extreme right would continue to evaporate. They'd likely write him off as a lost cause, and try to rescue Republicans in Congress who will be endangered by Obama's coat-tails, or just save their money for 2012.

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